Comments on: Book: Jesus Mean and Wild http://www.zonegathering.com/2006/08/07/book-jesus-mean-and-wild/ The Online Community for the Leaders of National Community Church Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:45:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Keith http://www.zonegathering.com/2006/08/07/book-jesus-mean-and-wild/#comment-1026 Keith Thu, 02 Nov 2006 02:25:30 +0000 http://www.zonegathering.com/2006/08/07/book-jesus-mean-and-wild/#comment-1026 "Being a Christian Without Being an Idiot" would be up your alley. I have this book, just need to pick it up and finish it! “Being a Christian Without Being an Idiot” would be up your alley. I have this book, just need to pick it up and finish it!

]]> By: Ken http://www.zonegathering.com/2006/08/07/book-jesus-mean-and-wild/#comment-854 Ken Tue, 08 Aug 2006 02:02:44 +0000 http://www.zonegathering.com/2006/08/07/book-jesus-mean-and-wild/#comment-854 I struggled with Chapter 11 of the book that was published in last month's CT. I don't understand the correlation between Peter's rebuking Jesus and intentionally creating a relevant atmosphere in the church. This is the premise by which he ties 'relevant' and 'satanic' together. If one of these relevant pastors sensed God saying replace the keyboard with a pipe organ and refused because he didn't think it would work Miller might have an argument. I tend to assume that both relevant and irrelevant (I guess that is the only other option) pastors believe that they are doing God's will. Next I would argue that his first church out of seminary was a relevant church. It was at least relevant to those to whom they intended to communicate God's message. A quick search on dictionary.com give the meaning of relevant as "having a bearing on or connection with the matter at hand." So when the people are connecting with the message I assume that we are being relevant. When pastors say they want to plant a relevant church they usually mean that they want to start a church that will be relevant to its community as opposed to one that is relevant to its membership. That brings me to my final comment. Churches that place a high priority on relevance are often missional churches. They do what they do in order to fulfill the great commission, not to be successful. Being relevant does not have to do with a personal image of an ideal church. That would not be relevant. A relevant church will continue to adapt and change the way they communicate the unchanging message of the Gospel. I struggled with Chapter 11 of the book that was published in last month’s CT.
I don’t understand the correlation between Peter’s rebuking Jesus and intentionally creating a relevant atmosphere in the church. This is the premise by which he ties ‘relevant’ and ’satanic’ together. If one of these relevant pastors sensed God saying replace the keyboard with a pipe organ and refused because he didn’t think it would work Miller might have an argument. I tend to assume that both relevant and irrelevant (I guess that is the only other option) pastors believe that they are doing God’s will.

Next I would argue that his first church out of seminary was a relevant church. It was at least relevant to those to whom they intended to communicate God’s message. A quick search on dictionary.com give the meaning of relevant as “having a bearing on or connection with the matter at hand.” So when the people are connecting with the message I assume that we are being relevant. When pastors say they want to plant a relevant church they usually mean that they want to start a church that will be relevant to its community as opposed to one that is relevant to its membership.

That brings me to my final comment. Churches that place a high priority on relevance are often missional churches. They do what they do in order to fulfill the great commission, not to be successful. Being relevant does not have to do with a personal image of an ideal church. That would not be relevant. A relevant church will continue to adapt and change the way they communicate the unchanging message of the Gospel.

]]> By: nathan. http://www.zonegathering.com/2006/08/07/book-jesus-mean-and-wild/#comment-853 nathan. Tue, 08 Aug 2006 01:55:25 +0000 http://www.zonegathering.com/2006/08/07/book-jesus-mean-and-wild/#comment-853 Over at Pastor Mark's blog, he left a little discussion topic: http://www.evotional.com/2006/08/galapagos-islands.html No Jesus Know Fear. Know Jesus No Fear. I think part of what Galli is trying to say in his book is: Know Jesus Know Fear. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Psalm 111:10). The fear of the Lord is the fountain of life (Proverbs 14:27). And the coming Messiah is one whose "delight shall be in the fear of the Lord" (Isaiah 11:3) Know Jesus Know Fear. Over at Pastor Mark’s blog, he left a little discussion topic:

http://www.evotional.com/2006/08/galapagos-islands.html

No Jesus Know Fear. Know Jesus No Fear.

I think part of what Galli is trying to say in his book is:

Know Jesus Know Fear.

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Psalm 111:10). The fear of the Lord is the fountain of life (Proverbs 14:27). And the coming Messiah is one whose “delight shall be in the fear of the Lord” (Isaiah 11:3)

Know Jesus Know Fear.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.zonegathering.com/2006/08/07/book-jesus-mean-and-wild/#comment-852 Jonathan Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:55:54 +0000 http://www.zonegathering.com/2006/08/07/book-jesus-mean-and-wild/#comment-852 Nathan you have great taste in books. Actually on Chapter 5 and hoping it won't take me a month to get through... Thanks for sharing for the whole lot of us. Nathan you have great taste in books. Actually on Chapter 5 and hoping it won’t take me a month to get through…
Thanks for sharing for the whole lot of us.

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